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Hywel Roberts is known to many readers of the Caernarfon and Denbigh Herald as a member of Caernarfon Town Council and as chairman of the Caernarfon Civic Society. He is also company secretary of Segontium Cyf, the voluntary organisation that runs Segontium Roman Fort Museum.

However, a lesser known aspect of Hywel’s life is his interest in family history research and his involvement with the Gwynedd Family History Society to which he is the treasurer. He began tracing his own family tree a number of years ago and believes it is important to pass family heritage on to succeeding generations. Four years ago, Hywel gave his first talk to the Caernarfon branch of the Gwynedd Family History Society and has now given such talks nine times to other branches and local history societies.

He has now developed a series of four talks on various aspects of his family history. In this blog Hywel - pictured with daughter Ceri and grand daughter Cara Emily - shares his passion and knowledge with you.

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More about Birth Certificates

Posted by Hywel Roberts on April 13, 2008 10:25 PM | 

Birth certificate

Last time I wrote about my great grandfather’s Birth Certificate and the example shown was a copy of the register entry of William William’s birth on 29 November 1851. The copy shown was prepared by the then Registrar, Arthur Owen, and dated 16 August 1921. More experienced readers will know that he obtained this copy in preparation for his seventieth birthday on 29 November 1921. He would have needed the certificate in order to be able to prove his age in making an application to receive his old age pension, which at that time was paid at the age of 70. Unfortunately he didn’t get much benefit from his old age pension as he died on 3 February 1922.

This time I show a copy of the Birth Certificate of my grandfather, Robert Williams who was the second of four sons of William Williams and Catherine Roberts. He was born in July 1878 and you will notice that the copy is dated March 1948 which again indicates that it was obtained ahead of his application for an old age pension at the age of 70 in July 1948.

You will notice that his father’s name is down as William P. Williams even though we saw from his birth certificate that he was born William Williams. As he was exactly the same name as his father, he decided to adopt the middle name “Pritchard� taken after his grandfather William Pritchard. He was known, certainly during his adult life, as William Pritchard Williams and I’ve seen many documents that he has signed as William Pritchard Williams. He didn’t change his name officially but simply adopted the middle name. If one was starting to trace the family tree from complete ignorance then this type of change of name could lead to much confusion but I was lucky that I’d listened to my grandparents and then my mother talking about him and I knew about the additional name.

Robert Williams went on to do exactly the same and adopted the middle name “Cadwalader� after his grandfather on his mother’s side. He was subsequently known as Robert Cadwalader Williams despite his birth certificate stating simply Robert Williams.

The family lived at Talywaen which was a terraced house on the main road going into Penmachno but bigger than the Glanypwll terraced houses. Talywaen looks in very good condition today.

On the top of both certificates is shown the Registration District, Llanrwst and the Sub-District, Yspyty. It then states that this is the Counties of Caernarvon and Denbigh. In most cases the District and Sub-District will be within one county but sometimes, as in this case, a sub-district can cover parts of two counties. The Parish of Penmachno was wholly within the old county of Caernarvonshire but the main town in the area, Llanrwst, was in the old county of Denbigh and this has caused me problems from time to time. The sub-district of Yspyty covered the parishes of Penmachno, Yspyty Ifan and Pentrefoelas, the second two being in Denbighshire.

If you’re interested in a parish that is on the border with another county you should check that the nearest main town is within the same county otherwise you could encounter difficulties as I’ve had with Llanrwst being within Denbighshire.

The GFH society meeting for remainder of April and early May are:

Bangor, 10 May: Branch Outing “Rhyd Ddu and Nantgwynant with Margaret Dunn�

Caernarfon, 24 April (last Thursday of each month) 7.00pm at the The Library, Lôn Pafiliwn: Members Evening - talks given by members about aspects their family history

Dolgellau, 8 May (second Thursday of each month) 7.00pm at the Royal Ship Hotel:
Penri Jones Evans, “Hanes Tref y Bala�

Llandudno, 14 April (second Monday of each month) 7.00pm: An evening in the Conwy Archives, Old Board School, Lloyd Street, Llandudno.

Llangefni, 17 April (third Thursday of each month) 7.15pm at Capel Smyrna, Ffordd Glanhwfa: Visit to Yr Aelwyd undertaking research

Pwllheli, 18 April (third Friday of each month) 7.00pm at Capel Seion, Lon Dywod:
John Dilwyn Williams “Gair o brofiad�

Ask your Archivist

I’ve been sent information about special sessions being organised by the Archives Service in Ynys Môn. The first session is at Holyhead Library, Thursday 17 April 2p.m. - 7p.m

• Have you wondered how to start tracing your family history?
• Have you ever wondered about the history of your house?
• Do you want to know more about a subject or a place on Anglesey?
• Then come along and ask Anne Venables. You can get advice on how to go about doing your own research which includes how to use the Anglesey Archives in Llangefni. Once you’ve started you’ll find it hard to stop!

By appointment only: If you wish to attend the above session or any of the further sessions listed below you should telephone 01248 752083 to book your place.

Porthaethwy Thursday 24 April, 2-7pm

Amlwch Thursday 1 May, 2-7pm

Benllech Tuesday 13 May, 2-5pm

Cemaes Monday 19 May, 2-6pm

Rhosneigr Wednesday 4 June, 2-4.30 pm

Comments (1)

madeline mahoney wrote...

We have traced our family connections in Penmachno and find we are related to Hywel.Our great grandfather was William P. Williams brother Owen, did they have different mothers? William (born) 1826 was married to Ellen and had William P.but we hav'nt been able to find any trace on 1861 census, by 1871 he is married to Catherine(nee Owens)and has David,Evan and Owen (born about 1863).
We love to go back to Penmachno and you are right about Talywaen. Owen married and had six children but only three survived my grandfather(David Jones Williams) and two sisters, they live at Bryn Ifor and Fron Deg ,

My sister and I were in Conway last weekend what a pity we missed the A.G.M

Regards
Madeline Mahoney

Posted by: madeline mahoney  | May 25, 2008 11:46 AM

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